Planned Parenthood Videos – End Result

Oops. It seems that their plan backfired.

“Over a period of two months, the grand jury reviewed the investigation into misconduct by Planned Parenthood and cleared the organization of any wrongdoing.”

“The grand jury did indict David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt who were involved in making allegations against PPGC through covert recordings from April 2015. Daleiden and Merritt with a governmental record. An additional indictment was issued against Daleiden for prohibition of the purchase and sale of human organs.”

So Planned Parenthood did nothing wrong. The videos were heavily edited to mislead viewers into believing PP was breaking the law. The radical anti-abortion activists who made the videos are now in trouble for breaking the law themselves.

But of course, the damage has been done. And those who believed the videos were truthful and accurate are unlikely to even see this news.

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19 thoughts on “Planned Parenthood Videos – End Result

  1. More than 150 years ago, the good people who helped their fellow men in bondage escape slavery, would be prosecuted if caught. Around 70 years ago in Europe, the good people who helped Jews escape capture from the Nazi regime and almost certain death in concentration camps, would, if caught, be prosecuted and likely sent to a concentration camp themselves. The law in both these circumstances protected the oppressors and punished those who fought that oppression.

    Today, a good man, David Daleiden, went undercover to film Planned Parenthood illegally selling the bodies of aborted babies. Like the good people before him, Daleiden did this to protect the most vulnerable in society. Unfortunately, like in days of old, the government is not going to protect the vulnerable. The government is going to exonerate the oppressor and slayer, while prosecuting the one exposing and trying to stop the oppressor. Today the unborn will continue to be legally killed and those killing them and selling their bodies will continue to be protected.A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, tasked with investigating Planned Parenthood for illegally selling aborted body parts, instead indicted Daleiden while acquitting Planned parenthood. It might be unbelievable if history hadn’t already told the same tale. The grand jury actually charged Daleiden with one count of “tampering with government documents” and one count of attempting to purchase fetal tissue.

    Apparently Planned Parenthood is innocent of selling baby parts to Daleiden, but Daleiden is guilty of buying baby parts from Planned Parenthood. Of course, slave owners were innocent of owning humans and those who helped them escape were guilty of theft. European citizens who helped Jews escape concentration camps were guilty, while those sending them to their deaths were innocent.

    This is corruption at its peak. It is not hidden corruption. It is blatant. In history classes today those who helped slaves escape and those who hid the Jews in Europe during World War II are revered as heroes. Hopefully, in years to come, David Daleiden will be revered as the hero he is.

  2. Clearly, you still don’t get it. Planned Parenthood was doing nothing secretive or illegal. It certainly wasn’t doing it to make a profit.
    Let’s look at the facts:

    – Daleiden and Merritt’s videos were found to be edited and embellished by a grand jury led by a Republican.
    – PP donates tissues for scientific purposes, but does sometimes accept between $30 and $100 for procurement costs.
    – PP has full legal authorization to do that as well as full consent from patients.
    – Daleiden attempted to trap PP by offering $1,600 for some tissue and was rejected.
    – According to several experts in the field, the fees Planned Parenthood charged for human fetal tissue specimens were too low to make any profit for Planned Parenthood and constituted reasonable compensation for the costs of procurement, as allowed by Federal law. These experts included Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University’s and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s biorepository; Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research; and Carolyn Compton, the chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute.

    So they’re donating the tissue for scientific purposes, not for profit. And you’re comparing them to Nazis for it? And then praising the people who lied about their identities, attempted to illegally entrap PP, and heavily edited videos to falsely make it appear as if PP was profiting off the tissue?

    But then again, you do revere Nephi. According to the narrative, Nephi murdered an unconscious man, lied about his identity, and stole the man’s possessions all while claiming it was for a good cause. You pick strange heroes, Lori.

  3. If you believe in God, as I do, and believe what is written in scripture, then God commanding someone to kill someone who is evil and trying to thwart God’s plan, and the reason for the killing and “theft” are for the greater good, then I have no problem with it. But, since you don’t choose to believe in God, then of course, none of this would make sense to you. And since you don’t believe in God, then killing 50 million babies a year for profit would not bother you either, apparently. I just don’t appreciate my tax money going toward the murdering of babies for the mother’s convenience. Just because a government says something is legal does not necessarily mean it is morally right.

    • Let’s break the Nephi story down:
      1. God makes commandments.
      2. In 1 Nephi 3:7, it is explained that God doesn’t give commandments without preparing a way for people to follow them.
      3. In the very next chapter, God tells Nephi to break three of the ten commandments.
      4. Somehow, after turning one page in the ‘most correct book on Earth’, it’s suddenly okay to break God’s commandments and murder unconscious people when God says so.
      5. How does someone know when it’s okay to commit despicable acts of violence? You hear voices in your head.
      6. Today, in a civilized society, if you murder someone because a voice in your head told you to, you’re thrown in jail or an insane asylum.
      7. Not only do you give Nephi a pass for this insane behavior, you actually revere him.
      8. The justification was that it was “for the greater good.” Apparently an all-powerful deity had to depend on cold-blooded murder to obtain some metal plates.

      Now let’s look at this incredible statement, “And since you don’t believe in God, then killing 50 million babies a year for profit would not bother you either, apparently.”
      1. As I have stated numerous times, I want the abortion rate to decrease significantly.
      2. There are fewer than 700,000 abortions reported each year in the US, far lower than your 50 million number. You’re either grossly misinformed or just plain lying.
      3. The number has been decreasing for 25 years.
      4. Planned Parenthood doesn’t make any profit off abortions, despite your repeated baseless claims.
      5. Planned Parenthood doesn’t use tax money to carry out abortions, despite your repeated baseless claims.
      6. You still refuse to acknowledge or even discuss how the legality of abortions has little to no effect on the actual abortion rate. And you support politicians and policies that increase the abortion rate: abstinence-only education and more difficult access to contraceptives.

      Lori, we both want to decrease the abortion rate. But I’m the only one that actually cares about using effective, empirically-sound methods to achieve that goal. You just want to invoke God and lie about the issues.

  4. Ok, let me reply to your points:
    1.” God makes commandments”. How do you know? You don’t even believe God exists. According your view, there is no God to make commandments.
    2. Using scripture to support your arguments is disingenuous. Without a foundation of belief in God, scripture would be meaningless-just a bunch of mythological, fantastical stories with no basis in fact. You have made that clear on on number of occasions. Being an atheist and trying to argue scripture with someone who is religious and believes in God is rather like trying to tell a neurosurgeon how to perform an intricate brain surgery because you have read up on it a time or two.
    3. You don’t believe the Book of Mormon is what it purports to be-you think Joseph Smith or someone else made it up. If that is the case, then Nephi is an imaginary person that never existed and therefore never killed anyone or stole anything, so trying to use this story to bolster your argument makes no sense. If I choose to make Nephi out to be a hero, it’s because I believe he did what God commanded him to do.
    4. Because of the above reasons and several others, any further attempts to try to obfuscate my arguments by throwing in scripture will be dismissed out of hand and ignored.

    As to abortion:
    1. We agree.
    2. Ok, I’ll concede on the number, 700,00 instead of 50 million. (It’s been a little over 56 million worldwide since Roe v Wade). But 700,000 a year is 700,000 too many. Since probably 95% or more are for the convenience of the mother and not due to rape or incest (approx 978 abortions last year) or health of the mother, then we have far too many abortions still happening. Abortion was legalized with the belief that they would be rare and only in extreme cases, such as rape or incest or health of the mother. I don’t believe there have been anywhere near 700,000 cases of rape, incest or health of the mother needs for abortion. Most are because someone had sex, with or without protection and now the woman just doesn’t want to deal with a child. What kind of a society and culture do we live in that makes unborn children throwaway just because the timing isn’t “convenient”?
    3. That’s great if the number has truly been decreasing over the last 25 years. I don’t know if I believe that’s true, but I’ll go along with you on that until I have better information. If the number has been decreasing, then, hopefully it means people are becoming more responsible about either using birth control, or deciding to either keep or put up for adoption the child. But as I stated above, even one abortion is one too many.
    4.” Planned Parenthood doesn’t make a profit off abortions”. Considering that they made $6 million profit last reported year, after expenses, that their CEO Cecile Richards makes a little under $700,000/yr, that other higher management people make $300,000 to $ 400,000/yr, that they travel on chartered jets and throw lavish conferences for staff and they donate hundreds of thousands to Democratic campaigns, I sure would like to know where all that money is coming from. I know for a fact that they charge on a sliding scale for the women’s health services they provide. They don’t do mammograms (they refer women to other health centers for that). They provide birth control counseling and birth control, both of which can be done at any doctor’s office or health clinic. They don’t do OB or maternity care, so what else do they do? Where is all that money coming from? It must be abortions, because those are usually not covered under any insurance that I know of. Or, it’s the $500 million from the gov’t, through our taxes.
    I looked up Planned Parenthood Utah just to see what services they provide. Here’s what I found:
    Annual well-woman exams
    Abortion services
    Birth control
    Breast exams (but not mammograms. Cecile Ricards conceded that they don’t do these.)
    Emergency contraception(EC/”morning after pill”)
    HPV vaccine
    HIV testing and counseling
    STD testing and treatment
    Pap tests(cervical cancer screening)
    Pregnancy testing& options information
    Urinary tract infection treatment
    Sexual health education
    Vasectomy
    Diagnosis and treatment of abnormal pap tests
    With the exception of abortion and emergency contraception, all the other services can be and are provided at doctor’s offices or woman’s health clinics. In fact, there are more health clinics in each state than there are PP offices, so why everyone thinks that the only place to receive these services is PP is ridiculous. Utah only has one PP office in the entire state. I guess the women in St George just have to go without women’s health services.
    So, I am trying to figure out, considering the sliding scale thing, how much money they would have to charge each patient to make the kind of money they need to make to pay the exorbitant salaries of the CEO and staff, and still make a $6 million profit. It has to come from abortions and our taxes. If they are not using the tax money to pay for abortions (for those who can’t afford them) then they must be doing some pretty fancy accounting manipulation to make it appear that tax money is not used for abortions.) If you ask me, it’s a sweet little money laundering scheme they’ve got going on. The gov’t gives the tax money to PP, who ostensibly uses it for “women’s health services” and then turns around and uses it to pay for abortions and to donate to political candidates such as Obama and Hilary. So my taxes are paying for abortions AND candidates I don’t agree with. Sweet deal for PP!
    6 .Please don’t tell me what I think and I believe. I have no problem with women using birth control. What I have a problem with is when women who use sex as a recreational activity want me to provide them with free contraceptives. We have had this conversation before: nothing is ever really free. Someone along the way has to pay. Birth control manufacturers have to be paid for their product, or they will not provide it. So, when something is “free” you can be sure someone else is paying for it, namely the taxpayer…as in you and me. Also, as you very well know, no birth control method is 100% effective, except abstinence. and, by the way, PP is not the only place one can obtain BC.
    If sex is going to be taught in schools, I want it made very clear to the students that while there are birth control methods, NO BC is 100% effective, except abstinence. Teenagers always think that nothing bad will happen to them and that their actions have no consequences, so just teaching the Pill or condoms is not going to keep kids who are having sex from getting pregnant. They can have all the knowledge in the world, but not put it to use.
    I also want parents involved in the teaching of sex ed. They need to have a say in what is being taught and how it is being taught, and they need to have an opt-out option if they don’t like what is being taught. If I am teaching my children to be abstinent until marriage, I don’t want the sex ed curriculum undermining what I am teaching. “Just use birth control and you won’t get pregnant”. “If you love someone, then show your love by having sex”, “Sex is kinda unavoidable, so make sure you use protection!” etc.
    I don’t believe I have ever heard any of the candidates I have supported say that they are against all forms of birth control. That is out of the liberal mainstream media playbook. What these candidates and people I support say is what I say: birth control is up to the people using it. But if you want to “play” then YOU must pay. If you need birth control, then you need to pay for it yourself. Birth control is not difficult to get: any Walmart or drug store or grocery store sells condoms. Birth control pills can be bought for as little as $10. Go to PP or a clinic and get a prescription and pay for them yourself. No politician I support has ever tried to ban people from obtaining BC. We just want people to be responsible for their own choices and actions. That’s what the politicians I support advocate. This country would be a whole lot better if everyone did that. And perhaps we could get back to the idea that sex is NOT solely a recreational activity, and give it back the importance and meaning it is intended to have. But I’m not holding my breath.

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      That’s your response to the Nephi story? That because I don’t believe in God or the Book of Mormon I can’t discuss it or critique it? So by that same reasoning, I shouldn’t be allowed to talk about political, economic, philosophical, or really any other topic that I don’t agree with? That’s such an incredibly strange world view to have, Lori. Can you imagine if everyone in the world was forced to follow that format? We would all be choosing a single view on each issue and espouse only that view without addressing or critiquing any other viewpoint on the issue. I guess neither of us can criticize slavery, racism, sexism, animal cruelty, or any other such topic because we don’t participate in or agree with them!

      “Being an atheist and trying to argue scripture with someone who is religious and believes in God is rather like trying to tell a neurosurgeon how to perform an intricate brain surgery because you have read up on it a time or two.”
      Ahh, but there’s the rub. I left Mormonism and became an atheist because I had read up on it. I spent 30 years reading up on it, including four years of seminary, a mission, countless hours at church, private study time, and classes at a university level. Despite your preconceptions, it was not sloth or a desire to sin that led me to atheism. It was research. And the fact is, I know far more about the troubling aspects of Mormonism than you do. You refuse to look at them or discuss them.

      If you’re incapable of actually defending your position, just say so. But don’t shrug it off as though I don’t have the ability or the right to speak my mind.

      Let’s get to abortions.

      “Since probably 95% or more are for the convenience of the mother…”
      Please don’t do that. Simply making up numbers while simultaneously denigrating women is beneath you.

      “Abortion was legalized with the belief that they would be rare and only in extreme cases, such as rape or incest or health of the mother.”
      That’s patently false. Go read the court cases.

      “That’s great if the number has truly been decreasing over the last 25 years. I don’t know if I believe that’s true…”
      It is true. These are publicly disclosed numbers. They are not hard to find either. In 1990, there were 1,429,247 induced abortions reported. That number has been consistently falling.

      “Considering that they made $6 million profit last reported year, after expenses”
      Planned Parenthood is a registered non-profit.

      “With the exception of abortion and emergency contraception, all the other services can be and are provided at doctor’s offices or woman’s health clinics.”
      You’re missing the entire point of PP: to provide these services to women who cannot afford to go to a regular doctor. It’s incredibly cruel to try and shut down Planned Parenthood based off its abortion services, representing about 3% of what it actually does, while telling women who can’t afford to see a doctor to… go see a doctor.
      And again, you’re ignoring the fact that Planned Parenthood does not and cannot use federal funding for abortion services. It provides those services from other sources of revenue, such as private donations, that account for more than half of its income.

      “Utah only has one PP office in the entire state. I guess the women in St George just have to go without women’s health services.”
      PP operates 9 clinics in Utah, including one in St. George. Do you think I won’t fact-check you or something?

      “We have had this conversation before: nothing is ever really free. Someone along the way has to pay. Birth control manufacturers have to be paid for their product, or they will not provide it. So, when something is “free” you can be sure someone else is paying for it, namely the taxpayer…as in you and me.”
      Ding ding ding! Finally, we get to the heart of the matter! The only problem is, you don’t understand it. Providing contraception is FAR, FAR cheaper than the alternative: pregnancies that these women cannot pay for. I linked this article to you before and you clearly didn’t read it or retain the information: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html
      To quote it, “The state health department estimated that every dollar spent on the long-acting birth control initiative saved $5.85 for the state’s Medicaid program.”
      Lori, if your argument is about money, then you should be in support of free contraceptives! Not only does it save huge sums of money, it decreases the abortion rate too! Everyone is a winner!

      “If sex is going to be taught in schools, I want it made very clear to the students that while there are birth control methods, NO BC is 100% effective, except abstinence.”
      Well, let’s be clear about terms here. Abstinence is 100% effective, but abstinence-only education is the least effective of all methods. There is plenty of data to show that. It’s all well and good to say that teenagers should just not have sex, but you would be living in your own fantasy world instead of addressing reality.

      “I also want parents involved in the teaching of sex ed. They need to have a say in what is being taught and how it is being taught, and they need to have an opt-out option if they don’t like what is being taught.”
      Parents should be involved. But opting-out is a serious concern. States without mandated sex education and with a parent opt-out have a far higher on average rate of unwanted pregnancies, the primary cause of abortions.

      “I don’t believe I have ever heard any of the candidates I have supported say that they are against all forms of birth control.”
      Of course not, because nearly everyone uses birth control. But nearly every major Republican politician has fought against free and open access to contraceptives. Unwanted pregnancies and abortions are mostly a problem among people who cannot afford to visit a doctor or obtain contraceptives easily. The most effective and least intrusive method, an IUD, is simply not available to the people who most need it.

  5. I find it difficult to understand your position on abortion Mom, specifically that abortions are ok if it is for the health and physical well-being of the mother(as in life-threatening situations) and in cases of rape but not in other situations. I assume that you are against abortion because you consider it murder to the unborn child but I don’t understand how it is not also murder in those cases? Either abortion is murder, or it’s not. There is no grey area. There can be a myriad of reasons for getting an abortion but at the end of the day if you consider abortion murder it is murder in all cases and therefore should not be morally ok no matter what the reasoning.
    So I want to know why you feel it is morally ok to murder a baby who is the product of rape but not for a woman who simply does not want to be pregnant? At the end of the day, the unborn fetus is the same in a rape victim and any other woman who does not want a baby.

  6. I DO believe abortion is murder in EVERY case. I don’t believe in abortion in cases of rape or incest. Both are horrible and should never happen, but they do. Pregnancy by rape is rare, but it does happen. We don’t kill a woman because she is raped, why is it okay to kill the product of that rape? The baby did not cause the rape. It didn’t ask to be conceived in that manner. Aborting a child conceived by rape doesn’t solve anything, it just compounds the problem. I have read stories of women who kept the child who was a product of a rape and how the child has been a blessing to them. I’ve also read how children who were products of rape were given up for adoption and how that child or the parents of such a child are so grateful to the women who were courageous enough to avoid an abortion and give these children life.
    A baby is not just an appendage of a woman’s body- it is it’s own separate being with it’s own DNA, fingerprints, blood type, and body. A woman may have a right to do what she wants with HER body, but she does not have a right to destroy her baby’s body just because it’s not convenient. Once she has sex, no matter how or why or when she did so, any baby that is a product of that sexual act has as much right to life as the mother or father or any other person already born. Pregnancy is most of the time the product of sex and it should always be considered a possibility, even when birth control is being used.
    The only cases when abortion might be considered is in the case of the health of the mother. That must be pretty rare because I don’t know if I’ve ever hear of a condition where a mother chose to abort her baby because her health was threatened. Usually such a mother takes the risk for the benefit of her baby. I do know that mothers with HG like Kellee have aborted their babies and after watching Kellee on her couple of bad days, I can’t say that I blame them. I leave that decision to the affected person and her doctor.
    But you have to agree, the vast majority of the 700,000 abortions performed each year are for the convenience of the mother or as a form of birth control. The mother was not raped and she doesn’t have a health condition that dictates a possible abortion. It says a lot about a culture and a society that says it’s okay to treat unborn children as throwaway and disposable. And if you have ever watched how an abortion is done, like here: https://Facebook.com/Lori.b.walker.5?pnref-story, you would be horrified. Even in animated form, the depiction of how an abortion is done is grotesque and despicable. And partial birth abortions, which still occasionally happen, are even more despicable! Any society that condones such horrific acts has lost it’s moral foundation.
    So no, I don’t condone abortion except in the very rare and extreme case of health of the mother which is between her and her doctor.

    • You’re still avoiding confronting the truth: you call abortion murder and yet continue to support policies that increase the abortion rate. Stop fighting to make it illegal and start fighting to increase the supply of birth control and compulsory, comprehensive sex education. Democrats and Republicans can work together on this issue and make a huge difference. But you insist on legislating your own personal morality rather than promoting rational solutions to the problem. And you support politicians and a political party that make it worse.

      As for rape, you want to force women who are raped to risk their lives, spend large sums they often don’t have, and deal with crushing emotional problems. It’s true: some women who are raped give birth and have positive experiences. But they should make that choice, not you. You’re forcing the victims of a horrible crime to be punished further without any choice in the matter.

      “But you have to agree, the vast majority of the 700,000 abortions performed each year are for the convenience of the mother or as a form of birth control.”
      You keep repeating this and I keep denying it. I do not agree at all and you come off sounding incredibly judgmental and condescending to women who do choose to have an abortion.

    • Oh, and by the way…
      “What these candidates and people I support say is what I say: birth control is up to the people using it. But if you want to “play” then YOU must pay. If you need birth control, then you need to pay for it yourself.” – Lori

      “Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives.” -Mitt Romney, Oct 16, 2012

      The whole point you’re missing about it, Lori, is that many women can’t easily afford it. That’s why it’s so incredibly important to, as Romney said and as the Democrats have been trying to do for decades, make sure every woman has access.

  7. Every woman should have access, but Mitt didn’t say it should be free. If a woman wants to sleep with every Tom, Dick and Harry who comes her way ( and a lot of women fit into that category) does that mean I should have to pay for her irresponsibility? We have a huge segment of society with an enormous sense of entitlement who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Does that mean the responsible segment of this country ( which grows smaller by the day) should enable them?
    I think all the millions of dollars given to PP for abortions should be diverted to community health clinics and pregnancy crisis centers. Most of the woman who go to PP think they have no other options. They have been raised in a culture where abortion is commonplace and the first go-to when an unwanted pregnancy happens. A lot of these women don’t really want an abortion but everyone around them tells them it’s their ONLY option. If they go to PP to discuss their options they aren’t really given options, they are told that abortion is pretty much the best and only option. Why? Because counseling them on keeping their baby or giving it up for adoption denies PP money-money that would be spend on the abortion. I’ve read several stories of women who felt conflicted when they went into PP and felt they were railroaded into an abortion when what they wanted was some advice and options.
    If pregnancy crisis centers had the funding they could help women with crisis pregnancies, like rape victims. They could pay for their maternal care and help them with options for the baby, like job training or adoption counseling. Why do you assume that every woman who is raped risks her life carrying the baby to term? Most women get through pregnancy and deliver healthy babies without any risk to life. Just look at the world population as an answer to that. Even in desperately poor countries, healthy babies still manage to be born. As to expense, there are several options. Kellee has been on Medicare for every one of her children. The gov’t has an interest in getting babies here, healthy and strong, so they won’t have to pay for problems down the road. As I said above, if Pregnancy Crisis Centers had the funding that PP has, a lot of women could be helped. Couples who want children and can’t have them are willing to pay the expenses of a pregnant mother in exchange for the child, if the mother knows she can’t or won’t keep the child. Our country could come up with better options if they weren’t in bed with PP.
    So what, exactly, are the policies that “my party and the people I support” that keep women from getting birth control, pray tell? I have never heard any candidate I support say that s/he wants to ban all contraceptives outright. Give me examples. What the people I support says is that we ALL need to be responsible for our own lives and deal with the consequences we create when we are not. Yes, there are exceptions, like rape and incest and abuse, but for the most part unwanted pregnancies come because men and women do not understand the seriousness of what they are doing when they engage in sex when circumstances in their lives are not conducive to bringing a child into this world which should alway be considered a possibility, even with protection.
    As for comprehensive sex Ed, what exactly would that look like to you? Because some of what I have seen as part of “comprehensive sex Ed” is not something I would ever want to expose my children to at the young ages these “experts” want to start at. If they want to teach how babies are made, talk about abstinence as well as forms of birth control and emphasize their importance, but also failure rates, then I am fine with that. What more does there need to be? If comprehensive sex Ed truly worked, instead of fewer unwanted pregnancies, wouldn’t there be zero?

    • “Every woman should have access, but Mitt didn’t say it should be free.”
      And the women who can’t afford it?

      “If a woman wants to sleep with every Tom, Dick and Harry who comes her way ( and a lot of women fit into that category) does that mean I should have to pay for her irresponsibility?”
      Well, an unexpected or unwanted pregnancy can also come to someone who sleeps with a single man one time, even while correctly using birth control…

      You’re also once again you’re trying to legislate your own personal morality (or really, that of your church). Plenty of people don’t believe that intimacy outside of marriage is wrong. But more importantly, you are already paying for this. And you’re paying way, way more than if you were paying for contraceptives.
      Contraceptives are incredibly cheap in comparison to taxpayers paying for a pregnancy that the mother cannot afford. I keep stating this and providing facts, but you keep ignoring them.

      “I think all the millions of dollars given to PP for abortions…”
      Yet again you ignore the facts. PP does not use any federal or state funds for abortions. Period. Stop repeating the same lie over and over again!

      “If they go to PP to discuss their options they aren’t really given options, they are told that abortion is pretty much the best and only option.”
      Another blatant lie. Maybe you could try actually reading their website? https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/pregnant-now-what/thinking-about-abortion

      “Why do you assume that every woman who is raped risks her life carrying the baby to term? “
      The woman’s life is at risk with every pregnancy.

      “If they want to teach how babies are made, talk about abstinence as well as forms of birth control and emphasize their importance, but also failure rates, then I am fine with that.”
      Umm, that’s exactly what they do in every sex-ed class.

      “If comprehensive sex Ed truly worked, instead of fewer unwanted pregnancies, wouldn’t there be zero?”
      If changing the oil in your car truly worked, wouldn’t there be zero build-up in engines? If math classes truly worked, wouldn’t everyone be able to multiply three digit numbers together with perfect accuracy? If Mormonism truly worked, wouldn’t Utah not be the #1 state in the US for porn consumption, mental illness, depression, and fraud?

      Comprehensive sex-ed has been proven, through widespread implementation and large sets of data, to be effective in reducing rates of STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and abortions. It’s significantly more effective than abstinence-only education.

  8. Yeah, like I’m going to believe anything PP says. They lie about the fact that sometimes babies are born alive after botched abortions in their clinics. They lie when they say that abortions are completely safe and no one has ever had a problem having an abortion at PP; this after hearing tapes of calls to 911 dispatch to come to PP because of a medical emergency-but to come to the back door. (No bad publicity, you see.) after they lied about selling baby body parts (even if it is legal does not make it morally right. And I believe the undercover tapes, NOT PP.), not after seeing undercover tapes of them telling “pimps” how to cover up underage sexual abuse and rape”, not when they are taking taxpayer money to stay in business (if they are making $6 million in profit every year and their CEO makes an almost $600,000 salary a year, why do they need taxpayer money, even if none of it is paying for abortions, as you claim?) And if no taxpayer money goes toward abortion, then how do poor women pay for their abortions? I have heard of fees in the several hundred dollar range-how does a poor woman afford that? Some of that taxpayer money has to go toward abortions , if they are truly going to “help women”.
    And will you get off the “you don’t believe in comprehensive, compulsory sex ed rhetoric”? Did I not say that sex Ed in schools was fine, if they stick to the basics of reproduction, anatomy, abstinence and birth control methods? Unfortunately, with some of the things I’ve seen included in “comprehensive” sex education, I’d be a little leery about what might be included under the guise of “comprehensive”. That’s why I would have a problem with it being compulsory. There are certain things that I would rather tell my kids about sex than having someone who does not share my values and standards, tell them. Just like you don’t want people preaching their religious values and beliefs to your kids, I don’t want someone “preaching” their amoral version of values to my kids. That’s why parents need an opt out if they don’t agree with what the government considers “comprehensive sex Ed.”

    • What you’re doing here is called the Gish Gallop. It’s basically throwing so many arguments, true or false, that your opponent cannot possibly answer them all. I’m not going to waste my time, but I will pick out a few particularly egregious ones.

      “Yeah, like I’m going to believe anything PP says.”
      I’m not sure what this is in reference to. Is it about taxpayer funds not being used for abortions? Planned Parenthood is a registered non-profit that receives significant government funds and is constantly under attack and investigation by Republican lawmakers. Unlike your church, they are required to fill out a 990 form and disclose it publicly. You’re welcome to read it yourself, but considering that less than half of PP’s income is from taxpayer funds, they would be idiotic to lie about abortions (which represent less than 3% of their costs) coming from those funds.

      By the way, I think it’s rather ironic that you are so skeptical of things that have solid evidence simply because your political party tells you to be skeptical. Climate change is a great example. You listen to some politicians who have no background or expertise on the matter and who are funded by coal and oil billionaires, but ignore expert scientists from the around the world and from every different political persuasion. It’s like listening to the owner of your local grocery store about how to take care of your car’s engine instead of the combined expertise of nearly every mechanic in the world.

      “They lie when they say that abortions are completely safe and no one has ever had a problem having an abortion at PP.”

      Directly from their website: “There are risks with any medical procedure. The risks increase the longer you are pregnant. They also increase if you have sedation or general anesthesia. Possible risks include…”

      There is also this tidbit: “Researchers at the University of California, San Francisco analyzed more than 59,000 abortions and follow-up care from 2009–2010 and found that only 2.1% resulted in complications. Most complications reported were, “minor and expected,” according to the CDC. The complication rate of 2.1% is much lower than many common procedures such as tooth extraction at 7% and a tonsillectomy at 9%.”

      But hey, who cares about facts?

      “And if no taxpayer money goes toward abortion, then how do poor women pay for their abortions?”
      More than half of PP’s income is from private donations (read the 990 I linked above). In fact, Meghan and I made numerous donations to Planned Parenthood of Utah last year when your lawmakers tried to defund it!

      “And will you get off the “you don’t believe in comprehensive, compulsory sex ed rhetoric”?
      So you do believe in comprehensive, compulsory sex ed? Great! Let’s see what you wrote next!

      “…If they stick to the basics…”
      Errr… that’s not comprehensive…

      “That’s why I would have a problem with it being compulsory.”
      So, uhhh… you’re not in favor of comprehensive, compulsory sex ed.

    • Sorry Mom- you can’t make that argument. You never taught me about sex. So don’t try getting on your soapbox about how you as a parent need to tech your kids about sex in the correct way when you didn’t with most/all of us.

  9. Thanks, Meghan, for pointing out ANOTHER of my failings as a parent–as if I don’t agonize over my past parenting skills as it is. I would LOVE a do-over, but that is simply not possible. I hope you are a more perfect parent than I was.

    • I think you’re missing her point entirely. Educating your children about sex isn’t easy. And plenty of parents don’t do it for various reasons. But sexual education is vital to reducing the rate of unwanted pregnancies and abortions. That’s why it must be compulsory and comprehensive.

      • How about we go with the United Nations definition:
        “Comprehensive sexuality education enables young people to make informed decisions about their sexuality. It is taught over several years, introducing age-appropriate information consistent with the evolving capacities of young people. It includes scientifically accurate, curriculum-based information about human development, anatomy and pregnancy. It also includes information about contraception and sexually transmitted infections (STIs), including HIV. And it goes beyond information, to encourage confidence and improved communication skills. Curricula should also address the social issues surrounding sexuality and reproduction, including cultural norms, family life and interpersonal relationships.”

        “Human rights issues, gender equality and gender roles should be integrated into every aspect of these discussions. This includes human rights protection, fulfilment and empowerment; the impact of gender discrimination; the importance of equality and gender-sensitivity; and the ideas underlying gender roles. Sexual abuse, gender-based violence and harmful practices should also be discussed. Taken together, all this information teaches young people the life skills necessary to assume responsibility for their own behaviour and to respect the rights of others.”

        Go here and click “read more”: http://www.unfpa.org/comprehensive-sexuality-education

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